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The World Turns

August 15, 2008

Love makes the world go 'round, and the advance of gay unions around the globe (or at least the more civilized parts thereof) is a major shift forward. Note that the link is to a report in the conservative Washington Times, which not very long ago would only refer to gays getting hitched as "homosexual 'marriage'" (with the "m" word in quotes to signify its lack of legitimacy). Changing times, indeed.

by Stephen H. Miller

Comments to "The World Turns":

Craig Nelson | August 16, 2008, 3:58am | #

Marriage across Europe "very soon" ?

I don't think so!

There are only three possible mechanisms for Europe wide action on anything.

1 All states agree spontaneously on a course of action. Unlikely - the EU alone has 27 countries some of them staunchly religious.
2. The EU adopts a Directive (still has to be agreed by unanimity of member states and the EU Parliament) - but the EU doesn't have competence in the definition of marriage.
3 The European Court of Human Rights mandates the right to marriage - there is a case going through at the moment, however the ECHR has a doctrine of 'margin of appreciation' whereby it has regard to evolutions of practice across the Council of Europe.

Although European countries will continue to adopt equal marriage (the latest being Norway - a non-EU country) and others will adopt some form of other partnership recognition such as Civil Partnerships I think the US will have uniform same-sex marriage before the EU or indeed any other continent.

Richard II | August 16, 2008, 7:56am | #

Indeed. Some European nations are more socially liberal, then others. Those that are more gay friendly, tend to have, compared to us, freer elections and active Social Democrats.

JimG | August 16, 2008, 8:54pm | #

Richardll,
I am curious to know what you mean by "freer elections".
Thanks.

Richard II | August 17, 2008, 10:46am | #

(1) More meaningful choices or (2) the real possibility of a strong third or fourth party.

Craig2 | August 18, 2008, 11:05pm | #

It works out something like this:
Relationship recognition: civil
unions/partnerships or same sex
marriage:
United Kingdom, Norway, Sweden,
Finland, Netherlands, Belgium,
Spain, Denmark, Hungary, Czech
Republic, Slovenia;

Partial relationship reform:
France (PACs);

Inclusive adoption reform, reproductive technology access: United Kingdom, Norway, Sweden, Netherlands, Spain, Denmark, Belgium;

Anti-discrimination laws: United Kingdom, Ireland, Italy, Greece, Denmark, Norway, Sweden, France, Germany, Hungary, Czech
Republic, Slovenia, Croatia,
Serbia, Kosovo, Spain, Portugal;

Decriminalisation; All of Europe.

Homophobic blackspots: Poland, Slovakia, Serbia, Greece, Italy;

Hope that helps.

Craig2
Wellington, NZ

Craig2 | August 18, 2008, 11:09pm | #

Re; Washington Times.
If it is liberalising, then does that meam the Unification Church's grip on it is receding? I find this surprising, given Sun Myung Moon's record of rather vicious homophobic outbursts in the past.
Craig2